tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3313295143497097608.post6261033871012913628..comments2023-08-14T16:25:12.421+01:00Comments on Medieval Church Art: A taste for the macabre - late medieval cadaver tombsAllan Bartonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00499774849106432968noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3313295143497097608.post-64377770267742822432016-07-05T10:32:45.394+01:002016-07-05T10:32:45.394+01:00Bit late commenting on this but the nearest I have...Bit late commenting on this but the nearest I have seen to tombs like this was at Ewelme and the tomb of Alice de la Pole though I missed another at St Johns Burford because I did not look downBilly Blue Eyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12053172567806569702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3313295143497097608.post-30119300189143219842012-11-05T22:50:00.609+00:002012-11-05T22:50:00.609+00:00Dear Allan
I have come across your site while res...Dear Allan<br /><br />I have come across your site while researching the role of clothing in death ritual. I am wondering if I might link to some of your wonderful photographs (academic use only and full credit given...) Please let me know your feelings on this.<br /><br />Kind regards<br /><br />Judith<br />(PhD student, University of Leeds)Judith Simpsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3313295143497097608.post-31767854894899712632011-09-16T13:18:18.543+01:002011-09-16T13:18:18.543+01:00Dear Mark, thanks for your comment. Please see my...Dear Mark, thanks for your comment. Please see my earlier comment, the latest scholarly research suggests that the effigy of Thomas dates from the time of his death and that his wife was in fact added later when the monument was altered and a new tomb chest made.Allan Bartonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00499774849106432968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3313295143497097608.post-53409273104789357602011-09-08T22:38:06.154+01:002011-09-08T22:38:06.154+01:00The Beresford tombs at Fenny Bentley date from abo...The Beresford tombs at Fenny Bentley date from about 150 years after Sir Thomas's (my forebear's) death. The story goes that, as there was no image of Sir Thomas and Lady Agnes, the mason took the easy way out by depicting them in shrouds.Mark Berresfordhttp://www.jazzhound.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3313295143497097608.post-40152441717378308102009-03-08T05:13:00.000+00:002009-03-08T05:13:00.000+00:00Thank you for these striking images; the wrapped ...Thank you for these striking images; the wrapped cadavers and the screaming cadaver were types unknown to me. Do not omit what may be the most beautifully executed cadaver tomb, that of Alice, Duchess of Suffolk, both in the silken charm of the over-portrait, and in the caved-in corpse, with its detailing of the wrinkled forehead, the matted hair, and the shriveled flesh over the breasts, fingers, knees, and feet. Alice, grand-daughter of Geoffrey Chaucer, died 1475, and is buried in Ewelme, SE of Oxford, between the choir and the south chapel (where her father Thomas Chauceer and his wife Maud Burghersh have their tomb). The church is linked by a short stair and passage to a "cloister" almshouse which Alice and Suffolk endowed, and for which Alice herself wrote the statutes. (No doubt she realized how much extra praying her husband's and her own soul would need to make it out of their political purgatory.) The almshouse was in turn linked to the school they also endowed, which remains to this day a primary school, I believe in the C of E system. The whole makes a visually and mentally rewarding excursion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3313295143497097608.post-80733051374246210822008-09-09T02:48:00.000+01:002008-09-09T02:48:00.000+01:00The differences in the figuring of the alabaster f...The differences in the figuring of the alabaster from which each cadaver is carved, and the differences in their design and execution, down to the beveling of the edge of the slab supporting the smaller of the two, is clearly visible in another of Building's Fan's scans:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/architec/2371157871/in/photostream/" REL="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/architec/2371157871/in/photostream/</A><BR/><BR/>Might the larger effigy have been transferred from a dissolved monastic establishment? This certainly happened, at a higher social level, elsewhere, as with the Norfolk tombs, moved from Thetford to Framlingham, the De Vere tombs, moved from priory to parish church at Earls Colne, and the York reburials at Fotheringay.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3313295143497097608.post-35771359109486642192008-09-08T22:14:00.000+01:002008-09-08T22:14:00.000+01:00Lapinbizarre. Now that is a very interesting poin...Lapinbizarre. Now that is a very interesting point. The tomb chest is clearly as you say Elizabethan or Jacobean, probably Elizabethan. Paula Frosch writing in 'Church Monuments' vol. XV (2000) points out that the effigy of the wife is of a different type of alabaster to that of her husband. She matches the tomb chest and he does not. Her theory is that the effigy of Thomas dates from around the time of his death in the 1470s and may have been part of a different monument, which was damaged or destroyed.Allan Bartonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00499774849106432968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3313295143497097608.post-26647094749707490742008-09-08T21:58:00.000+01:002008-09-08T21:58:00.000+01:00Thanks Andrew, I'm glad you like it.Thanks Andrew, I'm glad you like it.Allan Bartonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00499774849106432968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3313295143497097608.post-75388031465580001162008-09-08T19:52:00.000+01:002008-09-08T19:52:00.000+01:00Is the Beresford cadaver tomb of 15th century date...Is the Beresford cadaver tomb of 15th century date? The knots around the legs looked a bit strange to me, and I checked Flickr and found a view of the opposite side of the tomb, complete with tomb-chest. The incised coats of arms, winding-sheet cadavers of Beresford's children, and above all, the style of the lettering, seem more in line with a late 16th or early 17th century date, than with Thomas Beresford's death date of 1473.<BR/><BR/>The view of the opposite side of the tomb, posted by Buildings Fan, is here:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/architec/2371148843/" REL="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/architec/2371148843/</A>Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3313295143497097608.post-992055881456385712008-09-08T10:33:00.000+01:002008-09-08T10:33:00.000+01:00Wonderful site. I have given you a mention on Angl...Wonderful site. I have given you a mention on Anglican Wanderings.<BR/><BR/>Andrew.Andrew Teatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13798561923201177418noreply@blogger.com